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Proposed Light Rail Stations for Hackensack
« on: March 16, 2004, 05:24:21 PM »
Click below for a map of the proposed Bergen Light Rail stations.  Two appear to be in Hackensack: one on Prospect and one on Main. 

Light Rail Map
(Thanks Jerry)

Does anyone know anything more about this?

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Re:Proposed Light Rail Stations for Hackensack
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2004, 07:57:27 AM »
this could be the best thing that has happened
in years.the hudson county section between
hoboken & newport center is a big hit.this could
be "the shot in the arm" we need.

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Re:Proposed Light Rail Stations for Hackensack
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2004, 11:36:18 PM »
 :(Maybe 20 years from now. Opposition from Rochelle Park and Saddle Brook seriously harmed the project. Then, former Freeholder Douglas Bern had the PRIORITY switched to Englewood. Bern was the most parochial (interested only in his home town) freeholder to ever hold the office. Now a huge move is underway to reduce the Englewood project to the backburner in favor of making light rail reach the Xanadu project in the Meadowlands.

It's really a total folly to attempt to serve a gigantic auto-dependant use like Xanadu with light rail. Maybe with regular rail. But certainly not light rail. Over a billion dollars would be spent, and less than 1% of the visitors to Xanadu would ever use it. Here's who will use it. The businesses there will seek to hire at minimum wage, and with the rail line, they'll have access to all the poor people in Jersey City. Without that rail line, they would have to hire people who drive cars, and that means they'll have to offer higher salaries. That's the real agenda behind light rail to Xanadu. So us taxpayers should spend over a billion dollars to connect Xanadu up with rail service. I have a better idea, rail service is meant for cities, let's connect up our cities. Places with lots of residents, lots of jobs, and nowhere near enough parking is where rail and light rail works best.  For instance, Manhattan. And since rail is the best way there, people in suburbia will use rail to get there.

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Re: Proposed Light Rail Stations for Hackensack
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2005, 01:05:34 PM »
Just a viewpoint here. The fact that a co-designer of the NJ Shuttle Project along with that other castaway, Joe Campagna; Eric Martindale, though they should never share a common line...
Well, the fact that Martindale is posting from the "outside in" shows how creativity in New Jersey, and especially Hackensack is rewarded. The people with the power lacking the vision and requisite Mothers Of Invention are Zapped out of the picture while an otherwise great projected is put into the lazy Susan with all the other revolving door antics of waste basket politics. Hey what kind of values are they teaching in our schools to reward us citizens with the likes of whatever the heck is powering the Hackensack political machine... ask PSE&G to get rid of the gas!
You do understand what I mean when I refer to cryptic systemics & multi-level dynamics in operating procedures, don't you?

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Re: Proposed Light Rail Stations for Hackensack
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2006, 10:58:31 AM »
Latest story:  Towns' dreams derailed

The Hackensack-to-Hawthorne run is being looked at as a first phase, said NJ Transit spokesman Joe Dee. "It's a smaller more manageable project at this point."

The $140 million plan would bring service in 2010. But there is no timetable to expand service beyond Hawthorne.

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Re: Proposed Light Rail Stations for Hackensack
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2006, 06:14:06 PM »
Well, it's a baby step in the right direction that they are even thinking about it.  I can't imagine there would be enough users for it to really be successful.

I advocate full-service commuter rail connecting Hackensack with other places.  I'm not sure if this Hackensack-Paterson-Hawthorne proposal is for light rail or commuter rail.  Yes, that makes a huge difference. They are two different systems with different technologies.

The Pascack Valley line that runs along Railroad Ave in Hackensack is a full-service commuter rail line.  Watch it run ---  it's massive, it's powerful, it's fast. Those electrified toy trains that dote along the waterfront in Jersey City and around the NJPAC in Newark serve their purpose, but they are no comparison to a full-service commuter rail line.

I am not in favor of converting a commuter rail line into light rail.  The Susquehanna should be for commuter rail, not light rail.

Generally, I am not a fan of the "light rail", since it costs almost the same as commuter rail and carries far fewer people.  If Englewood and Tenafly really want the Bergen-Hudson light rail to extend there instead of Hackensack, let them have it.  We want something more substantial. We'll take another commuter rail line. 

Has anyone rode the subway in Washington, DC?  Now that's a great mass transit system.  Imagine something like that connecting Downtown Hackensack to Manhattan's Grand Central Station in 20 minutes, with an option to stay on the same train and go to Long Island?  Downtown Hackensack would quickly become the most desired location for upscale builders in the entire metropolitan area

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Re: Proposed Light Rail Stations for Hackensack
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2007, 10:34:21 AM »
Latest story:  Congress could cost North Jersey $53 million

Rep. Steve Rothman, D-Fair Lawn, had secured House earmarks providing $2 million for engineering and design work for new passenger rail service on freight tracks known as the Northern Branch, which would link Tenafly with North Bergen and eventually New York. He also got another $700,000 to begin the multiyear process of buying rail cars to run on that line and the Hawthorne-to-Hackensack cross-county line.

"These kinds of funds are critical for allowing new projects like these to move forward," NJ Transit spokeswoman Penny Bassett Hackett said.

But while the funds were in a bill that passed the House, it never came up in the Senate, so it may not be provided this year.

"This is one of the consequences of the do-nothing 109th Congress, because the Republican Congress didn't finish its work," said Bob DeCheine, Rothman's chief of staff.

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Re: Proposed Light Rail Stations for Hackensack
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2007, 09:05:03 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2007, 11:32:58 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2007, 08:57:34 AM »
From today's "Your Views" in The Record:

Regarding "On the wrong track?" (Page A-1, Feb. 18) on the Passaic-Bergen railroad, I would like to say the proposed service is a good start, but the line needs to actually go somewhere.

For this line to work, it must extend several miles east, from Hackensack to North Bergen, where it can connect with the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail line. I think then you would tap into a much bigger market and make the line worthwhile. Maywood and Saddle Brook should also be stops.

Another option would be to extend the line westward from Hawthorne to Butler. Towns that need and want rail service, like Oakland and Pompton Lakes, could benefit; apparently, the mayors want it ("Towns' dreams derailed," Page A-1, Dec. 3, 2006). You would take cars off Routes 23 and 208 if it went westward.

Keith Smollin
Maywood, Feb. 18
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As a convinced partisan of rail transport, I was most interested in "The wrong track?" (Page A-1, Feb. 19).

However, investing nearly $7 million to "test" diesel multiple-unit cars is a travesty. Such cars were fully tested, proven and extensively used on major railroads, including the New York Central and the Southern Pacific, more than 50 years ago.

Built by the Budd Co., they were known at the time as RDCs -- rail diesel cars. Budd was a very innovative firm, and these sleek cars, with their gleaming stainless steel exteriors, would not look the least bit outmoded today. There are some still around, and they could probably be put into service quickly, perhaps needing only sprucing up (the stainless, of course, requires only periodic washing). This would permit the testing of a new passenger service at minimum cost.

Then, and only then, if additional ones were needed, they could be built using virtually the same drawings, although some improvements would undoubtedly be incorporated. With this in mind, one wonders why we must re-invent the wheel in cases such as this!

Daniel LeMaire Bauch
Ridgewood, Feb. 20

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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2007, 09:07:20 AM »
From today's "Your Views" in The Record.

Rep. Bill Pascrell, D-Paterson, said recently that he thought the proposed Passaic-Bergen rail line from Hawthorne to Hackensack would '"take many cars off the road" – specifically Routes 208 and 4 ("On the wrong track?" Page A-1, Feb. 18). He added, "You have to do something tangible to encourage these modes of transportation."

He's obviously not aware of the recent Hawthorne commuter parking ordinance that can only discourage mass-transit usage. Why would a non-resident who currently drives to Hackensack want to park in Hawthorne and pick the train up there? That will cost him $642 a year on top of the train fare. Or will the town allow parking in the middle of town for the new train service – which would cause congestion and would also be unfair to the existing Main Line commuters?

Perhaps NJ Transit and Pascrell should be informed of how Hawthorne is working against their proposal.

Steve Wallis
North Haledon, Feb. 23

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From Yesterday:

My hat is off to Rep. Bill Pascrell, D-Paterson, for his efforts in creating the Passaic-Bergen rail line ("On the wrong track?" Page A-1, Feb. 18). Mass transit is the only way to release us from automobile dependency -- a dependency that costs an average of 45,000 lives every year nationally and is the primary reason for our need of foreign oil.

Trains can move 20 times more people in the same amount of space that a single lane of road occupies. Reviving this country's mass transit is also the best way to help the poor and needy, because the cost of commuting via transit is less than the cost of purchasing and maintaining an automobile.

Mass transit is the only cure for our transportation mess. Even if the current demand is not that great, soon it will be, and we must begin planning with more foresight. All we have to do is to look to the mass transit systems of Japan and Europe for inspiration, expertise and efficacy.

It can be done. It should be done.

Joseph Tilli
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Re: Proposed Light Rail Stations for Hackensack
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2007, 08:27:24 AM »
Latest story:  Pair of hubs cap plan for future of Passaic

Both sites would be connected by a revived commuter rail service to Paterson, Hackensack and main line trains to New York.

This is from today's "Your Views" in The Record:

Regarding the Paterson-to-Hackensack line being built ("Critics question demand for Passaic-Bergen rail line," Page A-1, Feb. 18):

For critics to say that it shouldn't be built because it wouldn't be the biggest money-maker in the system is foolish, for obviously the biggest money-makers are already in place, and reports are that even some of them lose money.

The purpose of new rail lines is to close gaps where earlier perhaps service was overlooked or not deemed necessary. Added pluses are taking more cars off the road, which is good for the environment.

A way to help make this project more feasible would be to extend the proposed service to Pompton Lakes. For the last 15 years I have had a business in town; there have been talks about bringing back commuter rail service, something the borough had years ago. I would guess the talks have gone on longer than that.

Adding Pompton Lakes would help make this line more cost-effective for NJ Transit, while only adding maybe five minutes to the trip. Our town has received $1.5 million in grants to revitalize the downtown and is now working with Passaic County to set up a Business Improvement District.

So yes, maybe this is Rep. Bill Pascrell's pet project for his hometown, but why not bring Pompton Lakes into the fold so that maybe upcounty Passaic residents can use the system too. Then we will work on linking it to Xanadu in the Meadowlands and then New York City.

Herb Newman
Pompton Lakes, Feb. 20
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2007, 08:02:10 AM »

 

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