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Hackensack History / Re: Hackensack Street Cars/Trolleys (Photos)
« on: May 13, 2010, 04:23:55 PM »
How's this? With the sun more directly overhead, there are no vertical shadows on the side of the building. The building walls look somewhat comparable to that of the 1934 photo.



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Hackensack Discussion / Circle Brake Broken
« on: May 13, 2010, 03:57:14 PM »
I wonder what's to become of this River St corner:










I think I know why they went out of business. If all their work looks like their representation of it, egad!







It looks like the axles have snapped as a result of the brake work, they stuck a Hurst shifter where the antenna should go, the headlights point upward, the bumper droops, and the car is emitting some type of cardial pollution.

Perhaps it got that look after it went down the street to the parking lot across from Bowler City and partied in the "C" lot.








Maybe they should call it the "B" lot (for "beer").



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Online Auctions/Local Images (Moderated by BLeafe) / 1902 "Foresters of America" Certificate from Hackensack!
« on: May 13, 2010, 01:07:09 AM »
Description:

This is a beautiful graphic gem of a 1902 certificate from the "FORESTERS of AMERICA" to Thomas Burnes of Hackensack, New Jersey, when there were still forests in "everywhere" N.J. It measures 20 1/2"h x 15"w.



Besides the idea of forestry in Hackensack, the most interesting thing about this document is the signature of the Chief Ranger of Court Hackensack #47 - A. L. Sachtleben. You may recall that name written in beautiful script along the side of 1890s local beer bottles.

The only thing I could find about "Court Hackensack No. 47" is shown below and appears to have something to do with a German Singing Society (also note "Hackingshackey Tribe").

So the mental image I'm left with is a bunch of drunk-on-Sachtleben-beer Germanic forest rangers in lederhosen out in the wilds of the Hackensack forests singing brauhaus songs mit Smokey der Bear.



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Online Auctions/Local Images (Moderated by BLeafe) / Victorian Hackensack Ad Board (minus calendar)
« on: May 12, 2010, 12:39:17 AM »
Description:

This auction is for children playing one girl has doll others play with cats and dogs Advertising Shoe store Hackenscak NJ measures 11"  separated at loophole in top where ribbon/string was attatched otherwise very good plus condition.


From Henry Stertzer Shoes, 320 or 326 Main St (pictures are too small)

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Hackensack History / Re: Public Service trolley car "in the yard at Hackensack" 1934
« on: May 10, 2010, 09:50:59 PM »
Quote from: Editor on May 10, 2010, 08:46:00 PM
The other topic is here. I leave it to Bob to merge.

 I think Bob's comparison is close but the building is multi-dimensional

(Topics merged w/subjects unchanged)


Actually, I cropped the picture because of that (the full version is below). The original doesn't show the full side, so you only need to show what that picture shows. You really have to take the picture at the right time of day because of the sun/shadows. Maybe when the sun's directly overhead the side might look more uniform.

The original picture doesn't seem to show any shadows, so maybe other atmospheric conditions were in play that day...................OR MAYBE IT'S THE WRONG DAMN PLACE.

But the fact that River St wasn't there in 1934 works in our favor and Editor's 1950s image DOES show houses there, so just maybe..................



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Hackensack History / Re: Public Service trolley car "in the yard at Hackensack" 1934
« on: May 10, 2010, 07:53:11 PM »
Well, here's what I came up with. I'm on the sidewalk on the east side of River St, almost to the corner of the Midtown Bridge Approach.

When was this part of River St built? If it existed in this location in 1934, then the yard wasn't here.

OR

The yard was set back further east and the picture was taken with a telephoto lens that tends to compress things and make background things look bigger.

The number of windows per floor on the bank's back wall is about right.

I don't know about this..........I have my doubts.



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Hackensack History / Re: Hackensack Street Cars/Trolleys (Photos)
« on: May 10, 2010, 12:38:17 PM »
Quote from: Editor on October 08, 2006, 11:33:58 PM
Hudson River Line Trolley in Hackensack:



(Thanks Bob)

So, while looking through this thread that itsme just revived, the above photo looked familiar. Sure enough, I posted something VERY similar last month on the Bergen County Historical Society board - a photo that claimed to be a trolley in Bogota.

Here's the link and the photo is below:

http://bergencountyhistory.org/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=62248823284d7d750beb476bd48e8b38&topic=1607.0

It's the same location - look at the windows on the houses in the background. Not only does it look more like Bogota (where Main St is elevated over the railroad tracks), but I recall having a discussion with the seller, who personally took the picture...........in Bogota.

Sorry, Editor - you may wanna delete your thanks.



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Hackensack History / Re: Public Service trolley car "in the yard at Hackensack" 1934
« on: May 10, 2010, 01:20:24 AM »
Quote from: Editor on May 09, 2010, 08:48:20 PM
Your description says Public Service Railway line car, but your subject says trolley.  I'm not sure "Railway" means "trolley".  I don't know the difference.

The map shows an area where the Susie Q and a trolley line virtually overlap.  That area is behind Villa De Columbia on Mercer.  I think the camera may be facing north, towards Banta.  I'll try to take a picture tomorrow.

They're both railways, but trolleys are much lighter than trains and don't require the heavier rails that trains need.

The area I'm guessing for the yard is EAST of River St and just north of the Susquehanna trestle over River St, perhaps between the Susie-Q tracks and the Midtown Bridge approach - wherever it is that gives you the bank angle that the picture shows.

This map is from Villa de Colombia's site. They show their location as west of Main St, the red arrow points to the bank and the green circle is my guess where the yard was. If that's correct, you'd be aiming in a north-northwest direction.

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Online Auctions/Local Images (Moderated by BLeafe) / Re: "North Hackensack" Kinderkamack & Main PC w/1920 PM
« on: May 09, 2010, 10:34:08 PM »
Sorry. What I meant was that your question shook my belief in my original assumption. Because it's an open discussion, I invited you and anyone else to educate me about some other area that I wasn't thinking of that might be a better choice.

But after seeing and comparing the two pictures, I felt pretty convinced that it was what I thought it was. When you then said "We", it implied that an equal level of doubt still existed on both our parts.

You know the old Lone Ranger/Tonto joke that ends with Tonto's "what you mean 'we,' kemosabe?" line? That's what I was flashing on when I wrote "What's this 'we' stuff?"

Am I 100% sure of my choice? Of course not. That's why I would still want to see any image from anyone who knows of a better match.

The important thing to me is to try to get it right - not to be right. These are historical records that will exist long after we're gone and posterity requires that we do our best to get it right if we can.



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Hackensack History / Re: Public Service trolley car "in the yard at Hackensack" 1934
« on: May 09, 2010, 04:25:02 PM »
Quote from: Editor on May 09, 2010, 09:01:27 AM
I'm thinking that the trolley is on the Susquehanna Line and the houses are on Banta Place.  However, I'm not sure houses were on Banta in 1934, but it is possible.

Trolleys didn't run on railroad tracks.

IF that's the Peoples Trust building, 2 sides of it are visible - split by a tree. Because of the number of windows per floor, the left half is a side wall and the right half is either the front or the rear wall. 

If the houses were on Banta place, the right side of the building would be the front, but since the houses' fronts are visible, they are parallel with the front of the building instead of perpendicular, so that rules out Banta Place.

By keeping the right half of the building as the front, a scenario can be created that places the houses on Railroad Ave by Clay St and the trolley on the Erie tracks. The angle fits, but there's one slight problem: as mentioned above, trolleys didn't run on railroad tracks.

So maybe there IS a trolley yard. It would have to be on Railroad Ave, which pushes the houses back a block to Park. The angle still works, but there's another minor problem: since the trolley's on tracks, those tracks would have to feed from somewhere, but there were no trolley lines running through the Clay St/Railroad Ave area.

So the premise that the front of the bank is visible must be faulty.

Let's say now that it's the back of the building. That places the houses on River St, facing east, just north of Mercer. It also places the trolley right next to the Hudson River Line tracks at a point just after it crosses the Hackensack River and just before it bends to go up Mercer St - a perfect place for a feeder track to a trolley yard.

It works!

On the below trolley map, I used a red arrow to show where the Peoples Trust building is and a green circle to indicate where I think the trolley yard had to be - east of river St and right next to the trolley tracks and Susquehanna RR tracks.

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Hackensack History / Re: searching for Holy Trinity students circa 1950-1960
« on: May 09, 2010, 01:53:59 AM »
Quote from: prospectgirl on May 08, 2010, 11:31:05 PM
You are so right, the young Schaberg girl is named Helen, and she is indeed a nurse. I last caught a glimpse of her at her father's Anderson Street office in the early '70s. Could you remind me of the name of the side street there?

I don't know where her father's office was on Anderson, so I'm not sure which side street you're referring to. If her brother Frank is also a doctor, a quick search tells me that he may be in Pawtucket, RI.



Quote from: prospectgirl on May 08, 2010, 11:31:05 PM
Robert Holmes (of Catalpa Avenue in my day)

.......on the corner of Tilden Ave (his brother was in my class and they lived 4-5 blocks from me).



Quote from: prospectgirl on May 08, 2010, 11:31:05 PM
Thank you Mr. Leafe...For someone like me, so far away from my hometown roots, your kind reply and regular postings are much appreciated.

You're quite welcome.



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Hackensack History / Public Service trolley car "in the yard at Hackensack" 1934
« on: May 09, 2010, 01:23:05 AM »
Description:

Public Service Railway line car #5218 in the yard at Hackensack, NJ on 6/3/34.



Anyone know exactly where in Hackensack this "yard" was? Is that the Peoples Trust building in the background? What other building in 1934 Hackensack was that big?



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Online Auctions/Local Images (Moderated by BLeafe) / Re: "North Hackensack" Kinderkamack & Main PC w/1920 PM
« on: May 08, 2010, 10:22:30 PM »
<< wheres Arthur Treacher's fish and Chips >>

It's in justwatching's photo taken from Grand Avenue.



<< it is a good possibility....But we can't be Positive...... >>

What's this "we" stuff?



<< I just thought you had that location in writting from the original owner or the seller >>

The seller's usually in Idaho or somewhere like that. I tend to trust my own knowledge in that situation.



<< The Streets in Before picture, except the incline....are not defined enough so we can't tell if the are even streets.. >>

There's that odd pronoun again. Stay away from that we-we.   ;D



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Hackensack History / Re: searching for Holy Trinity students circa 1950-1960
« on: May 08, 2010, 10:10:22 AM »
Quote from: prospectgirl on May 08, 2010, 07:32:20 AM
Prospect  girl searching for classmate, Janice Bellochio...anyone know her?
Also seeking Frank Schaberg and his younger sister....(Kathleen?)
Still seeking Bonnie France,  and Dominic Pisano....
Sandra Tumac, Mary Ann Hyer, and Robert Holmes (Teaneck)... Would anyone know how to find a roster from Sister Rita's first grade class in 1950?
Also two girls named Frances and Kathleen (also from  Teaneck) and a boy named Vincent...
just hoping...

I can't tell you how to reach any of these people, but I can tell you that:

- Helen Schaberg was in my class (1953-1961). I think she is/was a nurse. If you find her, let me know. I have some reunion pictures for her, but haven't been able to locate her.

- also in my class was a Frances, a Kathleen, and a Vincent from Teaneck.....Frances Uliano, Kathleen Higgins, Vincent Marinello

- Robert Holmes died in 2007. There was a Mike Kelly column written about him in The Record on April 21, 2008, but it seems to be available only through pay services. Perhaps you can email Mike for it (KellyM@northjersey.com).

This was written in his blog the next day:


Honoring a waiter

Many readers asked about my column yesterday on Robert Holmes, a waiter at Amarone Ristorante in Teaneck who died suddenly last year and is being honored at the restaurant with a special bench and a plaque with his trademark greeting to all patrons as he handed them a menu:  "We can talk. Nothing is written in stone."

The dedication of that bench will take place this Sunday, April 27, from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m., at Amarone's, 63 Cedar Lane, Teaneck.   

Posted by Mike Kelly on 04/22 at 10:06 AM



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Online Auctions/Local Images (Moderated by BLeafe) / Re: "North Hackensack" Kinderkamack & Main PC w/1920 PM
« on: May 07, 2010, 11:00:04 PM »
Quote from: just watching on May 07, 2010, 04:51:44 PM
I think the older shot is taken a bit to the south, because there's a dirt road in the foreground, running left to right.  I think that's Grand Avenue.

It's too short a distance from Main. If I shot from Grand, I'd be doubling my distance from Main. The K&M intersection and the Kinderkamack incline would appear smaller and much more distant.

I brought a printout of the old image with me to put myself in the right spot. If you look to the right in my picture, there's a driveway that pretty much coincides with what you say is Grand Ave. It doesn't appear that there was much need for a driveway back then, so it may have been a path, perhaps leading to someone's front door.



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