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draft accidentally submitted incomplete and with errors...sorry


...it has suddenly snapped into place that the Niclases were indeed the newcomers who purchased the property on the left of our home..

ALSO ADDED...Do I remember correctly that the family had young children at the time? Do you or does anyone else know?

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Sir, I am realizing and remembering, too, and since I know our home was odd numbered and our address was definitely 253-257,it has suddenly snapped into place that the Niclas family was indeed newcomer who purchased the property to the left of our home, (on right side if one were facing our home). Oh my goodness, I had forgotten the "stroke" that caused in the neighborhood when that modern structure was being built on Prospect. That is most definitely not the family in the stately,old gray house to the right of our property. The Niclases were certainly the newcomers. Do you happen to remember when they built there? The Niclases were a good bit younger than most other of our neighbors, if I rightly recall. Thank you for the extra piece; it was one I had completely forgotten. When a ranch-styled house was mentioned in earlier post,it did not compute. Now I know why!

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I am VERY weak at "search and find" on the Internet. Do you have any link or a suggestion how to locate city council minutes (site address)?
Was the name Niclas or Nicoles; my memory tells me that these our my neighbors. How long did they stay living on Prospect after the death( late 50's) of one of the three of them? I had thought I remembered them to be siblings, not so?

                 BigThanks for every assistance.

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Wow...I am having trouble with directions...I think you are on it! Mr.Nicoles is a name I do remember,wow...So why would their home have been razed? Only ours at 253-257 had fire damage to a small part of the first floor. Their stately gray home was always well kept and orderly. Do you have a guess on the actual address of the Nicoles home? Were they somehow related to a lawyer,name either Peck or Wulster? Our property was the third huge home from the corner of Central on Prospect, the Summit side of the hill.Would that be North,then...I'm confused but hope you'll orient me on the directions so I can be more accurate on my posts...thank you so much for your reply;it means a lot to me to gather Hackensack history. BTW...the new photos are wonderful and helped me to fill in more gaps in memories of the other side of Prospect. Wish I had more time to give to this history gathering. To me it's heartwarming and a bit exhilarating to piece it together bit by bit.

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Thanks to all who have responded; thank you for sharing so graciously. I have numerous strings of comments to add to the reconstruction of the history of the "end" of "Prospect as it was",and to help piece together events that led to its demise. However, I have but a few snatches of time here lately to add even my proper appreciation for the info and discussion, and much less time to add my info to the board. So here are just a few quick tidbits in response.

First, your point , JW, on Prospect's shift to high rises is well taken; I thoroughly understood the real-world politics of that situation and its economic impact on Hackensack's past and future. Please take kindly to my responses which I share only in a sense of history, not public policy. Remember, that address was my home, not a house, so I feel saddened for that reason and wish only to share the beauty and the elegance and pride those stately Hackensack estates brought to the city at the time, much as you feel pride in its newer urban elegance. I am actually quite pleased to hear how Prospect Hill still adds so significantly to the value of real property in the city.

Second, did anyone notice my earlier posted remark about the fire (1958?) which supposedly, it was long argued, then rendered it unsaleable. My suspicion is that the fire had significance in the advance of the fall of Prospect and the ultimate land assembly that must have necessarily preceded zoning attempts. I believe such actions occurred after the death of the three older siblings who were the occupants of the gray home to the left of ours through the 1950's. I mentioned the involvement of a lawyer (maybe Emil Wulster), though I am unsure if that name is correct. The family next door (on left) may have been named Peck, and had a relative who was also a lawyer somehow connected to the sale of what was probably 245-249 Prospect. Might anyone know if that property was ever family occupied again after the death of those owners?

Third, and last for now, I am surprised to see reference to Ozzie and Harriet (Nelson). In fact, when I lived on Prospect, they most definitely owned a house on Elm Street in Bogota, just a block or so from my grandparent's home on the uneven-numbered side of that street.Their home was close to the Teaneck borderline, so perhaps their address was actually Teaneck. Lots more to say about all this, but little time now. Would anyone know which of the Nelson's moved to Hackensack and when? I am not sure if any of you who are in discussion on this topic are old enough to have known or have heard that the Nelson's son, Ricky, was a "big" Rock and Roll singer who died in a plane crash at a very young age. I assume you probably know your local history very well, so perhaps my info is of no new value to the board

Editor ... the pictures are great. Do you know the approximate date they were taken and the years when the developers were beginning to make their circles? I think our section began its change in 1958 with the death of the people to our right side (nearer to Central). Regarding one of those homes in your displayed photos, the one with the strongly rounded arch on its porch, looks like the home of one of my teen-year friends, a thin young girl whose parents were shoe manufacturers. We spent many afternoons in her bedroom choosing from a myriad of expensive shoe samples that were somehow "leftovers"(dreamy!). My school friends were so envious of my friendship with her. She attended a very "tony" private school that was out of town, possibly NY. Might anyone know of them and still remember their names? Most of my closer relationships were down to the left of our home ( nearer to Golf Place) on Prospect Avenue, so I am trying to mentally assemble the fragments of my memories on the neighbors beyond Central Ave. The pictures are great!

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Thank you for your response, I am so pleased to learn so much so quickly. As to your inquiry, I have lived in Florida since just before college. The last time I returned home was for my dear mother's funeral and burial at St. Joseph's Cemetery (over where Holly's used to be?) That was 1990/November. Since then, I have not returned home, and I did not go up to Prospect at that time. Indeed, I am wondering about those very old pictures you posted that were from the "Long" property. One of remarks on those photos seemed to imply that it was the property located just a few lots from the corner of Prospect and Central. It spurred my interest greatly. Our address was 253-257. If you have the interest to share more, and some time to respond, I would like to know which of the high-rise structures sits on that piece today.

After we moved out of our Prospect home, it was partially destroyed by fire and sat for quite a long while. I believe the fire was in November and that the house had been under contract before that incident. Do you know any of those details? My parents were greatly distressed. There was quite a hullaballo about whether the house would be repaired or not. The name of that lawyer, I think, is Emil Wulster(sp?). We had moved to a luxury high-rise on the top floor of a building on the Palisades Cliffs, but at the time of the fire, not all of our possessions had been removed from the home pending final sale.

Honestly, it sickens me that almost all of the old homes were destroyed. The hill homes were amazing. I really appreciate your info on the impossibilities of the Ruth and friends' stories, guess it was lore or plain old story-spinning. Actually, I had started to piece that timeline together a bit after I saw those photos. That prompted my first post. I still think one of the photos may be a view of our property, but I get disoriented when I look for clues. Maybe you can help me get clarification. That is why I tapped on your blue window.

Much of my knowledge of Prospect's history is cloaked in the memories of those above-mentioned kitchen stories. My mother loved Ruth very much. And I keep trying to remember her husband's name. I think he worked for my father as a clothing machine presser. Also, I think our family may have owned Jack's cleaners at one time, or Topps, or both. Not sure, I was really young then. My dad also owned mechanic shops at the time, somewhere near the little side street over by the court house. He owned a lot in those years. When we lived on Fairmont, he worked for Western Electric. Wonder if anyone his age (90) may still be alive from Fairmont who might know? My mom once said he won a settlement in a patent case with Western. All I know is he did very well at a young age, well before the Prospect years. Do you know anything about the cleaners in those years and who owned them when?

         Missing Hackensack….
                  Mrs.T

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Editor,
Many thanks to you for your obvious dedication to this site. I have been moved by the onslaught of rich memories it has evoked. Did you know Bobby well? I am sorrowed. Funny how these connections hold to hearts throughout the years.The Bobby Wickersheim I remember was, I believe, a wee bit older than I. I lived at that home until Summer of the year I turned four in 1948. If he  is theone and the same, I have stories that will make you roar. Our family loved the Wickersheims and, if my memory serves me, found them to be warm and colorful. I remember his coming to Prospect on my birthday bashes, extravaganzas that my grandparents orchestrated each year, but for how long I do not remember. I think my dad and his had some business connection,however. I am saddened that before the advent of a site such as this, I never sought other ways to connect with my childhood.Maybe this is an age-thing  ;)! I will respond on all others soon. At the moment I am up to my neck in papers to grade for tomorrow. Bye for now....Mrs.T

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Thank you...do you know how frequently your site is accessed each day? I am not a big fan of the Internet, but I am pleasantly stunned to see such treasure on this site. I had no idea the Web could offer such reward. 

I lived on Fairmount Ave in a lovely Victorian-styled home until I turned four years old. My family then moved to a "mansion" on the "hill' where I lived on Prospect Ave until a few months after my 14th birthday.  Although I moved away before my college years, Hackensack has continued to fascinate me. This website has renewed and intensified my interest. Moreover, I actually have much to share about the families on Fairmont, Prospect and Summit Avenues from the end of 1940's until 1960.
 
My immediate question is does anyone know what has become of Dorothy Borg Packard (who meant much to my family) and her family (son Peter, father Mr. Borg) and of their homes (Borgs' and Packards')? Also, might anyone remember the home next to the Packard "mansion", the ivy-covered home owned by the Ayssah family from (then)Persia who operated or owned a Mercedes import business (circa 1950)? Further, I am curious to learn anything of the history of the majestic home across the avenue from our own home. Unfortunately, I can no longer recall the name of the family who owned it.
 
As a small child, I watched trucks deliver full movie sets and camera equipment to film the exquisite property situated on the corner
of Central Avenue and Prospect. Would any contributors know of any source that might provide information concerning major film productions of the early 1950's in Hackensack? To me, the Southern architecture of the white-pillared mansion rivaled the Brewster Tudor mansion's in both size and elegance. The white mansion home was set on a very steep incline that backed up to Third Avenue
at its base. In winter, my brothers and I spent long hours with other neighborhood children sledding down its great hills after each and every snowstorm of my childhood. And, I fondly remember the kindness of their servants who checked on us throughout the day, yet never chased us off the hills until darkness threatened to close in. Each February, I would trudge up the long path to their front door, toting boxes of the Girl Scout cookies they had ordered. Though I recall that my parents had but a few occasions to make neighborly contact with the people of the great white house, one particular instance does stand out. One afternoon, my baby sister, then two, leaped into the front seat of the family car and, before anyone else could seat themselves beside her,she knocked the emergency brake free. The car careened with its door wide open down the very steep and swervy driveway, barely missing several massive beech trees. Watching the baby tossing about inside it, we all stood frozen, in shock, as the car blazed across the big wide Avenue. Miraculously, it slid through oncoming traffic, hopped the curb, and threaded between two more trees before crashing into the thick six -foot high shrubbery of the mansion we all referred to as Tara House (after the Plantation of  movie fame). Although my little sister bore hardly a scratch, my family and the neighbors were all greatly shaken. After that day, we frequented for a time the owner of "Tara" to assure our neighbor my sister was healing her bumps and bruises. Still to this day, printed on my memory is the majesty of that home,the sparkling grandeur of its chandeliers,the span and height of its walls and ceilings,the warmth and colors of its greenhouse, a structure that fascinated even me, a young girl whose own family gardens exhibited splendid variety. On those visits, a woman of charm and elegance showed us the kind of hospitality and concern that matched the southern warmth of her home. Those were different times; they were.

Although our home spanned across several large lots, it was no match to the splendor and size of many of the other great homes.The interiors of those beautiful old homes on Prospect were truly as extraordinary as the interior of our own home was unique. Now, I am hoping someone might share additional information to share that might fill some of the gaps in the history of our two family homes and any of our neighbors, as well as any knowledge of either of the two neighborhoods of my Hackensack childhood.

Perhaps the most intriguing of all the stories I was told in childhood, was the local version that our Prospect home had been built by the mid 1800's and was said to have been a home whose history and unique structure had been connected to the history of the underground railroad. Stories of the man who had owned our home were often told to us by several of the servants who resided at the bottom of Central's hill, two others who lived in our family home, and a few who worked for other families on the hill. One servant woman, named Ruth, worked for the doctor who owned a home behind ours (up on Summit Ave). Ruth adored my mother. She held a fearful respect for our property and she was the bearer of many stories. Before we bought our home my parents had been sufficiently warned by others about its strange history. Either because we had been so informed or because the home was of such interest to others, on many occasions the Hackensack Police were summoned to settle our fright and check our premises for many unsolved mischiefs. We were told by the police that since our home was so huge, they suspected that homeless persons might be responsible for the unexplainables.  A dominant set of such memories remains entwined with the love and pleasurable memories I hold for my unusual childhood home. Among other dreams that keep me tied to Hackensack is that I would like to find a way to locate (or recreate from memory) its floor plan. Likely, my family's imagination was captured by Dear Ruth. Surely our home was as rickety and squeaky and breezy as any other century-old home might be. Still, I remain fairly certain there must be a scent of history in the forebodings that started those women to wagging, and wag they did.  For years my father (a contractor) had kept many sheets of large blueprints that I assume are now lost. Would anyone have any knowledge of any homes of the mid 1800's whose design was amenable to protect slaves? Do such homes really exist? Does anyone know of figures who may have been involved with the underground railroad in the Bergen County area? Could any such historical effects possibly remain of the building plans of any of those great homes?
 
I am fascinated with all things "Hackensack", not only Prospect Avenue; in fact, I am just as interested to learn more about my family's earlier home on Fairmont Avenue. I am no young girl for sure, but my memory of that Fairmont home is clear and vivid and my memories of those neighbors are ever warm and sweet. For instance, does anyone know of Frances Hess who lived on Fairmont, too? She was a teacher at Fairmont's elementary in the 1940's through the 50's at least. Her daughter Patty was my first best friend. I remember many details of their home, nearly as well as I do each of my own childhood homes. <a href="http://" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://</a>And Ava Allen and her little sister who carried an accent from their previous home in Johannesburg, South Africa and lived on the small side street nearest the school. Or Phillip, the first boy I ever liked, from around the corner and whose last name I cannot think of today (he actually ate my mud pies). And what of Bobby Wickersheim, the blonde-haired terror of Fairmont Avenue. Also, my grandparent-like friends, Mr. and Mrs. Shields who always invited me in to sit and chat on the straw-seated, child's ladder-back chair they kept on their front porch that was just my size!

                                                            Thank You Hackensack!

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